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Kyle J Cardoza Reply #200 in The Rules — Posted April 17, 2006, 06:42:28 PM
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You're surrounded by armed bastards!

I'll keep this simple.

By using this site, you assert that:
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The rules:

You cannot:
  • Troll, or feed trolls the attention they crave
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  • Advertise a product or service without the admin's personal approval.
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  • embed adult images/movies in your posts, except where otherwise marked by the admin
  • Embed any flash in your posts that does not have an explicit start/stop button
  • Use leetspeak without irony
  • Use racial epithets except in the context of a discussion of same, or make personal insults
  • Threaten other users
  • Hack, crack, or otherwise mess with the server(s) on which this site runs, or threaten to do so

You can:
  • Link to adult content, if you clearly mark it with [nsfw]
  • Curse, swear, etc. Fuckin' Eh
  • Do anything not prohibited by a rule.

You must:
  • Use proper grammar, punctuation and spelling at all times. Zeta Channel provides a spellchecker supporting .uk, .ca, and .us English. If in doubt, use it.
  • Keep threads at least marginally on-topic. If it goes too far, the mods and admin reserve the right to fork it off into a new thread.
  • Start threads in the appropriate boards. Threads that don't fit can and will be moved at mod/admin discretion.

I claim full copyright on all original stylistic element of this site, such as the logo. The contents of your posts, including images (provided you created them) belong to you.

This forum allows you to link your profile to an external avatar image. If you choose to use this option (and we encourage you to do so!) please make it 100x100 pixels in size. Animation is, by default, OK, but the admins reserve the right to change your avatar at their own discretion.

This forum allows you to create a signature, and attach it to your posts. If you choose to use this option (and we encourage you to do so!), your signature should not have more than five lines of text. If you like, you may include one non-animated image in your signature, no larger than 40 pixels high by 100 pixels wide. Smilies do not count toward this limit; you may have smiley of your choice, out of the ones zCh provides, in your signature.

When posting a link that has a long URL, please encapsulate it behind anchor text, like this.

The mods and admins reserve the right to edit your posts and profile information at their own discretion. If you believe your post was edited unnecessarily, PM the admin with your grievance.

On this forum, you will, most likely, eventually come across statements you find offensive. That's fine; you have every right to take offense at anything you like, or don't like. What's not fine is expecting the staff to censor someone's writing just because you don't like it. You do not have a right to be protected from being offended, and I'm not extending any similar privilege.

These rules are subject to change, and it's your job to keep abreast of the changes. Punishments for violations are at the admins' and moderators' sole discretion.

The mods and the admin have lives outside the forums and, based on all available data, are not your mother.  While moderators and admin will do their best to accommodate you, if you have a disagreement with another poster please attempt to resolve your differences on your own before bringing it to a moderator/admin's attention.

Edit to Add Jul 19, 2008:  If you say you're going to leave the mod staff will be sure to help you along.  Threatening to leave the forum as a dramatic technique will not be tolerated.  If you say you're going to leave the forum the mod staff will ban you account to help you follow through on your actions.  We're here to help.
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Gwoo Reply #201 in The Rules — Posted March 07, 2008, 03:27:12 PM
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All a midstream rule change does is raise the ugly notion of having to have two rules for content treatment in terms of those posted prior to any significant shift.  It likely is NOT a big deal, although I am unaware of how many times members have sought to delete stuff and been accommodated or denied.
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The Ogre Reply #202 in The Rules — Posted March 07, 2008, 03:29:52 PM
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I'm glad that steps are being taken on the admin side to reduce the aesthetic impact of user decisions in how to handle content they own, by giving users the ability to delete their posts instead of merely editing out the content, should they so be inclined. 

Go Team Venture!

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fae Reply #203 in The Rules — Posted March 07, 2008, 03:31:56 PM
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marpa Reply #204 in The Rules — Posted March 07, 2008, 03:32:38 PM

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That WOULD be a marked improvement over you falsely claiming that the rule already existed in the TOS, that it should have been obvious to begin with, and that the idea that we have the automatic right to edit or delete our own content is foolish, yes.

While I can only speak for myself, this was what I assumed it meant.  Since that was my thought without any other input, I can see where Kyle would feel it was obvious.  To say that he is 'falsely claiming' something, I think is a bit harsh.  It seems to imply some form of deceit, which it obviously isn't.   

These kinds of misunderstandings are, unfortunately, why there are lawyers.
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Scix Reply #205 in The Rules — Posted March 07, 2008, 03:36:51 PM

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fae Reply #206 in The Rules — Posted March 07, 2008, 03:37:55 PM
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While I can only speak for myself, this was what I assumed it meant.  Since that was my thought without any other input, I can see where Kyle would feel it was obvious.  To say that he is 'falsely claiming' something, I think is a bit harsh.  It seems to imply some form of deceit, which it obviously isn't.   

These kinds of misunderstandings are, unfortunately, why there are lawyers.


I think you and S*S are talking about different things marpa.  Smile
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The Ogre Reply #207 in The Rules — Posted March 07, 2008, 03:43:59 PM
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It likely is NOT a big deal, although I am unaware of how many times members have sought to delete stuff and been accommodated or denied.

To be perfectly frank and honest and lay out the source of the discussion:  The issue at hand was that certain users had their ability to modify their own posts REMOVED by the staff of the boards, for editing their posts and/or removing content from their posts. 

Which is what I was calling shenanigans on.  If it is a rule, in the rules, that people own their content, then removing their ability to have any functional control over that content is BREAKING THE RULES, and total and utter bullshit.  Which is to say either everybody can edit their content or NOBODY should be able to edit their content and words to such effect should be placed in the rules document. 

Now I believe it is perfectly acceptable to kick somebody out and ban them if they're being a dick by going around and fucking with threads by changing the things they said or deleting things maliciously.  Under the "Don't Be A Dick" clauses. 

If I own my content I should be able to do what I want with that content unless I'm being a dick about it.  And then I shouldn't have my ability to do what I want with my content revoked, I should be told:  "Doing that means you're being a dick and you'll be banned and everything deleted." 

And, yes, I happen to know of one incident in which someone was trying to edit/remove content that was actively HURTING THEIR EMPLOYABILITY and causing them issues within their employment community and got shit for it.

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marpa Reply #208 in The Rules — Posted March 07, 2008, 04:01:04 PM

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I think you and S*S are talking about different things marpa.  Smile

Hmmm...I must have lost something in the middle there.  My apologies.    Peace!
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FireFly Reply #209 in The Rules — Posted March 07, 2008, 06:46:54 PM

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Sometimes I wake up with my nose in the grass.

So, what I'm understanding is, you don't want content free posts on the board. Right? So, if I went back and changed all my posts to "I love cheese." it would be ok.

I think that worrying about if the site is pretty or not (that's what defacement means, right?) is not as important as whether or users have the right to delete their content.
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Pixie Reply #210 in The Rules — Posted March 07, 2008, 07:04:03 PM
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What I'd worry about is someone, in a fit of sulkiness or anger, going and deleting all their posts when, given a day or two to calm down, they wouldn't have done that.

But I also don't really want all the work of deleting/altering posts to fall on the mods. That's us. We have lives that don't involve constant editing.

How about this as a solution? We make a usergroup that has a delete button. If someone wants to delete posts, they can ask us, and we'll put them into that group. That way there's some communication and thought involved, but the control rests in the hands of the poster.
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The Ogre Reply #211 in The Rules — Posted March 08, 2008, 09:34:46 PM
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How about this as a solution? We make a usergroup that has a delete button. If someone wants to delete posts, they can ask us, and we'll put them into that group. That way there's some communication and thought involved, but the control rests in the hands of the poster.

I would say this works only in that anyone who asks is allowed to enter the group and it isn't a selective thing based on whether or not the mods like someone.  I know the mod group all takes great care not to play favorites or attack people based on likability, but I worry about people being unable to do as they will with the content they own.  If it's akin to a 1-day waiting period but people aren't going to be denied entry, sure.

As I've said above, I'd rather see somebody get banned and everything they've added deleted summarily than somebody told that they're not allowed to edit or change their posts because someone on-staff decides they don't like their face or somesuch.

You'd think I was a libertarian, the way I go on.

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sinic Reply #212 in The Rules — Posted March 08, 2008, 09:59:15 PM
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Slack.

As it stands the mods don't have the ability to change whether or not a post's content can be edited or whether a person can edit the content of their posts or not.  There is currently work being done to work on this situation such this it is not abused which I believe is the concern from the admin's side at this point.  We'll be sure to let you know if/when things get updated.

As far as "waiting period" goes it would likely be less than a day as there almost always seems to be a mod around and for them it would simply be a matter or swapping the poster into a new user group in order to take care of the situation.
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peek@you Reply #213 in The Rules — Posted March 09, 2008, 05:54:31 PM
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Dead.

You could use the "Report to Moderator" button on your own post, but again, that's subject to mod discretion.

Just FYI, you actually *can't* report your own posts to the moderator. I tried that when I wanted a locked thread edited, and it wouldn't allow me. Maybe this can be fixed? Is it a bug? Or a "feature"? Tongue
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sinic Reply #214 in The Rules — Posted July 19, 2008, 07:28:19 AM
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The rule have been appended to add:

Edit to Add Jul 19, 2008:  If you say you're going to leave the mod staff will be sure to help you along.  Threatening to leave the forum as a dramatic technique will not be tolerated.  If you say you're going to leave the forum the mod staff will ban you account to help you follow through on your actions.  We're here to help.
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Sean Reply #215 in The Rules — Posted July 19, 2008, 07:39:25 AM

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What kind and courteous staff you have here. My oh my.
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Tamsin Reply #216 in The Rules — Posted July 19, 2008, 08:06:46 AM

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I thought that was already a rule.
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sinic Reply #217 in The Rules — Posted July 19, 2008, 08:19:23 AM
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It was an informal rule and had been a formal rule on xF.  It is now a formal rule here.
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