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"Frape" & using the word rape. Also, log out when afk!
« on: September 25, 2011, 08:34:54 PM »
Question for gay people: What do your friends write as your status when they frape you? Or do gay people have classier friends than straight people?
« Last Edit: September 27, 2011, 11:28:57 AM by Tamsin »
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2011, 09:17:11 PM »
Never had it happen (had to google the word)
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2011, 09:20:32 PM »
Anyone did that to me, I'd put their fucking head through a wall.
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2011, 10:13:11 PM »
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Re: "Frape" & using the word rape. Also, log out when afk!
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2011, 12:14:17 AM »
Anyone did that to me, I'd put their fucking head through a wall.

QFT.

I also really, REALLY hate the term "frape". To the point where I want to do the above to anybody that uses it *glares at Johnny*
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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2011, 12:28:55 AM »
Had to google "frape". I suppose I am getting old. I'll be getting a lawn next so I can tell young whippersnappers to get off it.  |-)

This is actually pretty old though. We used to do it to each other in high school. In 1994.
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2011, 07:38:22 AM »
I also really, REALLY hate the term "frape". To the point where I want to do the above to anybody that uses it *glares at Johnny*

Bite me, you harpy. It's a brilliant descriptive term; I didn't recognise it when I first heard it used, but I correctly guessed what it meant just from the word itself and from the context.
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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2011, 07:39:59 AM »
Bite me, you harpy. It's a brilliant descriptive term; I didn't recognise it when I first heard it used, but I correctly guessed what it meant just from the word itself and from the context.

It's a horrible, horrible word and trivialises something which is really serious.

I'm sure they can find some other word to use.
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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2011, 08:01:41 AM »
What is it with you and your war on language? It's not an effective tool for changing the way people think. And it's not like you'll be satisfied if I stop saying retard and frape, either, you'll just move on to some other damn word.

I think you should stop saying that Blake Lively (and other women you are attracted to) "would so get it", because it objectifies them, treats their bodies as property, and promotes the idea of sex as something that just happens to women and cements their perceived role as the passive partner.
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2011, 08:27:19 AM »
Had to google "frape". I suppose I am getting old. I'll be getting a lawn next so I can tell young whippersnappers to get off it.  |-)

This is actually pretty old though. We used to do it to each other in high school. In 1994.

Get a lawn close to a high school like we did.  Lots of whippersnappers to order off the lawn, plus the odd bit of trash every few days to pick up while mumbling "damn kids"!

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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2011, 10:01:41 AM »
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I don't know about cementing roles as the passive partner, but the word frape is making me feel anxious. Hell, whenever people start tossing around the word rape like it's no big thing, like it's totally within the realm of things you can joke about, I start feeling unsafe and nervous. No, I'm not stupid and I don't think that these people are actually gonna rape me. But, jeeze, this is not something to joke about. There is no time when it's funny. It is like I am afraid of dogs, right, and my friends bring a big, snarly dog into the room, this huge thing with battlescars and big teeth, and it stands there looking at me, growling low and quiet, and drooling. And then they start chatting about how hilarious and cool it was when this dog killed a coyote that got into their yard, or totally killed this deer this one time, or how awesome it would be if a burglar broke in and the dog just flipped out and ripped his face off.

And all this time the dog - which I fear already - is standing there growling at me and showing its teeth.

Case in point from this weekend: friend finished the Underground Trial in City of Heroes very smoothly, and chose the phrasing "totally raped that UG trial" when bragging about it. Okay, fine, one use makes me tense up a bit and it's not fun but I can deal with it. However, when he kept using that wording, the effect on me was unpleasant enough (actual twitchiness and anxiety, slight nausea, disconnecting, starting to get snarly and angry because my subconscious or whatever was putting me on defense against an anticipated threat, that sort of thing) that I had to ask him to change his words or I would have to leave the team or /ignore him. It wasn't about making a statement or anything, it was that my friend was putting me in real distress.

The point of all this is that I don't think I'm that unusual in this. Maybe a little more affected than many, but not fantastically so. Perhaps in the past the issue's been raised in a way that annoys you, so I'll try to do it in a better way: This might not affect you, but it certainly affects a lot of people. It's not even just that they get offended, it's that they feel anxious, threatened, unsafe, and all sorts of emotions like that. They might even be in the segment of people that could have full-stop panic attacks if the word gets thrown around too much. If someone asks you to check your word choice, please do so, because that is the right thing to do. This is about a more severe reaction than just being annoyed.

edit: forgot "but I can deal with it", added for clarity.
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Re: "Frape" & using the word rape. Also, log out when afk!
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2011, 10:39:43 AM »
Question for gay people: What do your friends write as your status when they frape you? Or do gay people have classier friends than straight people?

Yes, Johnny. Gay people have classier friends than straight people. There's a whole entrance exam.

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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2011, 10:41:22 AM »
What is it with you and your war on language? It's not an effective tool for changing the way people think. And it's not like you'll be satisfied if I stop saying retard and frape, either, you'll just move on to some other damn word.
Clearly you should start calling me and Nora kikes because it's just a word and what's with us people and our war on language, right? God forbid someone ask you to check what you're saying. Everybody else should just deal, you should never have to make any kind of effort whatsoever.

(Actually, language affects thinking and this is a science fact. Furthermore, do you honestly think it's a magical coincidence that the word "rape" gets thrown around casually and our culture has such a huge issue with rape, consent, etc? Humans are supposed to be good at pattern recognition.)
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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2011, 12:27:49 PM »
Actually, language affects thinking and this is a science fact.

The Sapir-Worf Hypothesis! It's some fascinating reading.

Also, add me to the list of people who dislike the casual use of the word "rape". I mean, if we want to pick a different uncomfortable word to use there to vividly illustrate the point of why it makes some people uncomfortable, how about "castrate"? Or is that one not visceral enough? Is there a single word for "the sensation of getting kicked in the testicles with intent to harm" that we could use instead?

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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2011, 01:17:37 PM »
The proper response is "sorry" or nothing, not berating people who object to your usage. Pretty much anything else is out of line, except perhaps in a separate conversation.

Also: wtf? Why would gay people have ... I mean ...

oh, nevermind.
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2011, 01:30:34 PM »
Fortunately folks, we do not have to use an offensive term, as a better one already exists.

Baggy pantsing:

baggy pantsing: v.
[Georgia Tech] A “baggy pantsing” is used to reprimand hackers who incautiously leave their terminals unlocked. The affected user will come back to find a post from them on internal newsgroups discussing exactly how baggy their pants are, an accepted stand-in for “unattentive user who left their work unprotected in the clusters”. A properly-done baggy pantsing is highly mocking and humorous. It is considered bad form to post a baggy pantsing to off-campus newsgroups or the more technical, serious groups. A particularly nice baggy pantsing may be “claimed” by immediately quoting the message in full, followed by your sig block; this has the added benefit of keeping the embarassed victim from being able to delete the post. Interesting baggy-pantsings have been done involving adding commands to login scripts to repost the message every time the unlucky user logs in; Unix boxes on the residential network, when cracked, oftentimes have their homepages replaced (after being politely backed-up to another file) with a baggy-pants message; .plan files are also occasionally targeted. Usage: “Prof. Greenlee fell asleep in the Solaris cluster again; we baggy-pantsed him to git.cc.class.2430.flame.” Compare derf.


At my high school, one baggy-pantsed by posting an announcement to the chat board that the forgetful user was gay, then logging them out, logging in as yourself, and posting a message of support for the "brave announcement". This had absolutely nothing to do with whether the person actually was gay. While homosexuality was not a true closet there -- we all lived in the same two dormitories, and everyone had a good idea of who was and was not gay -- no one openly discussed it; it was considered poor form in 1994 Mississippi. Thus, even if the forgetful one was gay, it was certain that no one would ever come out of the closet by posting to a public BBS. It wasn't done to be cruel or humiliating -- it was simply culture jamming, pretending to do something everyone knew you wouldn't actually do.... just like praising your baggy pants.
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2011, 01:44:34 PM »
Fortunately folks, we do not have to use an offensive term, as a better one already exists.

Baggy pantsing:

Hahaha, at my old workplace, people would send out department-wide emails from your Outlook, asking for a hug. :D With lots of really annoying animated GIFs in the body of the message. As Outlook's recall-message feature is notoriously nonfunctional, this tended to get the job done.

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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2011, 06:34:22 PM »
If someone asks you to check your word choice, please do so, because that is the right thing to do. This is about a more severe reaction than just being annoyed.

I have the greatest respect for your viewpoint, and it was not my intention to offend you. I think you might well have a point (or at least some solid reasoning for believing what you do), so please understand I'm not referring to you when I ask, "where do we draw the line with these fuckers"?

Say someone objects to the word "niggardly" as a descriptor, and demands that we remove all mention of it from public discourse, because they find it racially offensive. Do we argue against it on the basis that they're ignorantly connecting the word to a racist phrase with an entirely different etymology? Do we apologize for offending them and pledge to respect their feelings in future (despite the fact that they only took umbridge because they were misinformed), and so allow a small minority of easily-offended pinheads to dictate the usage of language for the entire English-speaking populace?

I was being facetious before, in that I don't give a damn what Franki says about Blake Lively, but that's easily a turn of phrase that someone somewhere could take exception to, and according to TIP and Scix, every single person that pipes up with "But I am OFFENDED!" must be afforded respect, and is entitled to force to you alter your speech patterns. And I'm trying so hard to be reasonable with these ridiculous fuckers, I'm fighting hard not to dismiss them out of hand as mindless hippies, but the claim that every person has a right to edit the word choice of the entire population is just preposterous. It's a skip and a jump away from banning literature like the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, and then to some prickly asshole getting it into his head we ought to put content warnings on games like Portal 2.

A very small percentage of the population will get angry when I say niggardly. Sometimes there isn't even a clear cut inoffensive option: some Native Americans will get shirty if their ethnicity is not referred to as American Indian, others think that American Indian is a dumb term and that Native American suffices as a name. Surely there's at least got a be a numbers game in play. 80-90% of the population can probably agree that "kike" is a racially offensive term, with no other usage then to refer to jewish people in a contemptuous and aggressive manner.

Do you think that comedy skits like this one should be banned from television? If you don't think it should, what's the philosophical distinction between banning a TV program for upsetting language, and censoring people's speech to make it less offensive? Incidentally, (although it's hardly a fair test as the sample size most likely contains a disproportionately large number of existing fans who sought out the video,) only about one and a half percent of people clicked dislike instead of like on that video, suggesting that it made a lot more people laugh then it did sad.
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2011, 06:59:05 PM »
The difference is that people object to the word "niggardly" because it sounds like a racial slur; people object to the word "rape" and words derived from it being used casually because "rape" is actually rape. It's not a "sounds like". It is it. Not liking a word because it sounds like a word you don't like may be oversensitive. It's not being oversensitive to not like a word that means something horrible being used casually to describe something like writing on someone's Facebook wall while they're AFK.

That kind of devaluation of the word has a trickle down effect of devaluing the reason people are upset about the subject and reduces the chances that the subject will (or can) be effectively addressed by society.

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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2011, 07:09:09 PM »
It's a piss-poor metaphor, too. It's just fvandalism. It's not like you can wake up the next morning, delete rape from your profile, and post a sarcastic status about how your friends are such dicks.
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