Man, Kennedys know their stuff.

Might be. I know I'm not.

Agreed.  Brilliant speech by Bill, brought back all of the positive memories of the 90s that the damn campaign left me questioning.

Also, he went 20 minutes, when only allotted 10.  Ahhhh, just like old times.

Watching it right now. Only misstep was the comment about bringing back nuclear power. Other than that, he's hitting the right notes for pretty much everyone there. I like the comments about changing the political front. New politics for a new time. Nice.

And no matter what McCain or anyone else can say about him, I don't think that anyone can deny that the man is an amazing and powerful speaker

I like the clean coal stuff less then the nuclear power. But there you go. There are a lot of people who aren't as liberal hippie as me who do want both of those.

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I watched the keynote speeches nearly every night.  I'm sure I'm not the only one either... but are you really surprised that no one wants to discuss it here?

The tone and tenor of the Debate forum as a whole has taken an acerbic bent lately (over the last year or so) with liberal views being seen as Right Think and conservative or moderate views dismissed out of hand as obviously wrong.  Maybe it's the mod's fault for not cracking down.  Maybe it's the posters faults for being too headstrong to consider the other side of things.  Maybe people just don't want to come see the same shouting matches over and over again.

Whatever the case, I thought you'd be happy.  You finally have a place where everyone posting is going to agree with you and no one will challenge your positions.  Too bad that also means you're all alone.

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What sinic said.

Jabba, you've pretty much shouted down everyone who doesn't agree with you, down to sending me nasty PMs in the name of 'taking the venom off-thread'.  I found some more balanced and less-abusive places to talk politics with people who understand the notion of multiple valid viewpoints.  I got tired of watching moderates denigrated and hounded out of conversations, so I went and found some places where they're still listened to.

Enjoy your silence.

*Takes mod hat off and sets it aside*


So would you classify that as more or less childish than taking a shot at someone's back after they left the forum?

Way I see it, your example could also be seen as someone realizing they're talking to someone with their head so far up their own ass that they can't even see what they did wrong and instead resort to tossing around terms like "childish" for someone who disagreed them, realized they were never going to get anything like respectful debate out of the person and decided to leave.

I just think it's funny that the last time we had a major blowup in Debate wasn't even involving jabba and there were people who were saying "at least you've changed".  Hmm.  Guess that changed too.

I'm not defending jabba, or how he's debated in the past, but I don't think it's fair for people to be pointing fingers and saying "It's all YOUR fault that Debating here sucks".    Sorry, just my own opinion.  If the mods are going to ban people for being assholes on Debate, then that's mod issues, but even in the past when we had people like B en Natuf on the board, I felt it just made debating a challenge.   I don't like the tone that Zeta's getting lately.  But then again, I've always felt like sort of an outsider anyway, so hey maybe I'm just wrong.

Well, that could either be a Republican Convention thread or back on the old salt "And then there were two".