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Reply #1460 in
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— Posted August 23, 2008, 04:00:09 AM
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Not my favorite either, but of the alleged front runners, (him, Bayh, and Kaine) I preferred Biden.
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— Posted August 23, 2008, 04:05:09 AM
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See, I liked Biden in the primary season. He seems like a straight talker and I liked his policies. Thing is, isn't he like 350 years old? Will he be able to run in 2016 or will be getting the Shrill then?
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— Posted August 23, 2008, 04:10:27 AM
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I didn't think it would be any of the three the media were obsessing over, but of those three, Biden was my personal favorite. I expected it to be Kaine for his broader appeal, but out of all of them, Biden has tons of national security experience and a couple decades in the Senate. I didn't want it to be Bayh, but I figured it was going to be Kaine or a surprise.
Pretty happy with Biden.
This makes things rough for McCain. If Obama had done the easy thing and given in to pressure and picked Clinton, McCain could have had a scarecrow as his running mate. The Republican Party is split into three warring factions at present; the religious fundies, the neocons, and the moderate Republicans. Hillary would have united all three of those in their opposition to her getting anywhere near the White House again. Given that Obama didn't pick Hillary, those factions are going to be at each other's throats again.
Now, while the media narrative is going to be "Obama is trying to alienate the woman vote by not picking Hillary or a woman!", this puts McCain in a tough place. If McCain picks a pro-life running mate, Obama doesn't have to worry one bit about the woman vote. Additionally, that will alienate the moderate faction, who are generally pro-choice or just ambivalent about it. If McCain picks a pro-choice running mate, like Lieberman or Ridge, he alienates the religious fundies. Should be interesting. Ball is back in the old guy's court.
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— Posted August 23, 2008, 04:29:23 AM
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Biden's an interesting choice, for sure. I think it shows that Obama's trying to solidify his general stance on transcending race as a dividing point; by picking the candidate that (was perceived to have) stuck his foot in his mouth with his comment before Iowa, it shows that he can forgive and forget gaffes. With the extensive foreign experience, he can be a good helper to Obama about what to do in a pinch, plus he can be just as good of an option for negotiation as whoever SoS is going to be.
I didn't think that it was going to be Bayh; I didn't think Obama would be dumb to make his veep from his next door state, since that would be seen as too inclusive as a power-base.
My pick for VP was Kaine. It fit with the Southern Strategy idea, but I guess that it'd look as a poor selection since Kaine's only been Governor of VA for two years, and he doesn't have much experience other than that. At least Biden's been around since dirt, so now it somewhat diffuses the "lack of experience" drum that McCain beats on a daily basis.
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Mark Penn's paid staffers are out in force today, posing as "lifelong Democrats" who will "vote for McCain since Hillary isn't on the ticket". Given that Mark Penn's PR firm is owed $5mil by Clinton's campaign, I've got a strong suspicion that the crowds of rabid "Hillary supporters" on the internet are working for him.
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— Posted August 23, 2008, 07:53:18 AM
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The way I see it, people were going to crow no matter who Obama picked. There was no perfect choice, just a bunch of all right to outright disastrous ones. I class Biden as bordering between all right and eh. Obama could have Jesus' second coming as his running mate, and people would crow (and for once the militant atheists and hardcore evangelicals would agree on something).
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Hoo boy. Here's the unintended consequence of picking Biden- he's one of hte guys who went on record saying that Obama didn't have enough experience, so of course McCain is jumping up and down beating that drum that "Obama's VP doesn't even have confidence in him". They put out an ad about that already.
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— Posted August 23, 2008, 02:11:16 PM
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I think an appropriate response to that would be something along the lines of "Well, we've addressed the experience issue with our VP pick."
Of course then people complain "A 35-year Washington insider? How is that -chaaange-?!!1" so there's going to be whining regardless. :\
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— Posted August 23, 2008, 05:44:41 PM
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I think my biggest problem with the Biden pick is that it reinforces the perceptions that Obama's a foreign policy lightweight that needs someone to cover him there, and that years and years and years as a Senator necessarily constitutes valuable experience that a President simply cannot do without.
Without Biden around, Obama can make the argument that John McCain hasn't actually learned anything in decades as a Senator; he just keeps making the same mistakes. But Biden takes that of argument off the table, since if supporting the Iraq War is a huge blunder that speaks poorly of your judgement, then why on earth should Joe Biden be one god-forbid away from the presidency?
As far as actual policy I've got some beefs with Biden as well, but that's anyone, and I don't think he'd be at all a bad Vice President. And he certainly brings some pluses to the campaign table along with his minuses. If you were to rank every person in America as a potential second seat for the Obama campaign, Joe Biden would certainly be in the top 10%. I'm just not sure that one of the remaining 30 million people wouldn't have been a better answer.
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A nation.... Cries out for change:
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— Posted August 23, 2008, 07:30:03 PM
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Myself, I think its good that Obama has selected someone who's been in politics a long time. I would have preferred a governor over a senator, but whatever.
What bugs me about Biden, though, are his policy positions. Federal smoking ban? Universal national service? He's also one of the fiercest supporters of the "War on Drugs" which I think has done a lot more damage to our civil liberties than the "War on Terror" has. And he supported the federal marriage amendment too. To my mind the only thing that's good about him is that he's relatively pro free trade.
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Hoo boy. Here's the unintended consequence of picking Biden- he's one of hte guys who went on record saying that Obama didn't have enough experience, so of course McCain is jumping up and down beating that drum that "Obama's VP doesn't even have confidence in him". They put out an ad about that already.
Imagine if he'd picked Hillary.
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— Posted August 23, 2008, 07:57:10 PM
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I think, possibly, the most entertaining thing the Republicans could do, would be to put up a female VP with McCain. Oh, the LULZ that would provide.
Why do I say this? Because frankly, most Republicans, are probably gonna vote Republican, regardless. But some of the female democrats, especially the ones irked over Clinton? Man, that party would splinter up again in seconds. BOOM. Party implode!
*insert relevant Death Star un-picture here*
I mean, if the republicans are "progressive" enough to put a woman in a top position, but not the democrats.... Eh? Eh? You see, how LULZy it could become, yes?
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I've actually had recurrent fantasies about McCain choosing Olympia Snow for the VP slot that have pretty much nothing to do with her being female, but I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen.
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My hope is that McCain picks a pro-life religious type, as that will help with keeping the voters inexplicably attached to Hillary as a concept (instead of actually listening to what she says about supporting and voting for Obama) from voting to McCain.
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— Posted August 23, 2008, 10:04:24 PM
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I had fantasies involving McCain. Sexual ones.
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Oh come on, people, I'm talking about the Pizza Pockets, you sick freaks!
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— Posted August 28, 2008, 03:28:06 PM
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Was it Gwoo who thought the McCain/Obama race would be a civil one? I wish that were the case, but it looks as if the McCain camp's latest strategy is to stick their fingers in their ears and run around screaming, "POW! POW! POW!" for the next two months and change.
Also, my LJ is bouncing today because of a
dissection I did of the Obama as elitist narrative
. Even there, someone played the POW card.
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— Posted August 28, 2008, 06:36:45 PM
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Well, McCain did not endure 5.5 years in a POW camp to hear you criticize him!
McCain did not endure 5.5 years in a POW camp to hear you criticize his economic plan!
McCain did not endure 5.5 years in a POW camp to hear you criticize his foreign policy!
McCain did not endure 5.5 years in a POW camp to hear you criticize his plan for the environment!
And so on.
Honestly, I think if you took out the Republican party and the Democratic Party, and it was just this guy McCain running against this guy Obama, it actually would be civil. If you took out the MSM and the ratings and money they get for presenting an image of a close race and vicious campaigning, you actually would have a civil campaign.
However, in this day and age, in this day of say and do anything elections and 24 hour news coverage that have got to fill time with something, we will not ever have a civil campaign again.
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— Posted August 29, 2008, 08:11:59 AM
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Word on the street is that McCain is picking Sarah Palin as his VP.
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— Posted August 29, 2008, 08:14:24 AM