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jabbaciv Reply #20 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 29, 2008, 07:44:40 AM
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Obama  31 (93.9%)
Hillary  0 (0%)

Hahahahaha.
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Gwoo Reply #21 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 29, 2008, 09:22:25 AM
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Yeah.  If that event could get me emotionally, then I can only imagine how it has energized old hippies who like the taste of the Kool-aid the left serves up.

I think the pubbies are fucked if it's Romney and will have one hell of a fight if it's McCain.  Vitality versus a broken body with a cynical, albeit realistic world view.

I am eager for poll data post event in the upcoming primaries, but  I have to believe this is going to be a huge bounce for him.  Kennedy's endorsement also provides cover for Super Delegates to switch sides.

Kennedy was the party standard bearer til Clinton became president emeritus and he is trying to wrest it back like a retired CEO not liking the way a company is being operated by his successor.

Must be a southern Thang, as he ran against Carter for largely the same reasons ...
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Pixie Reply #22 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 29, 2008, 09:30:23 AM

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AHHHHHH I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN

GIVE ME POLL DATA AND PREDICTIONS (that will probably be wrong anyway)!!!
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Vorsaga Reply #23 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 29, 2008, 10:02:10 AM

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I can't decide if I want a new blood to shake things up or a tenacious bitch who will get things done...

That being said, if I had to vote toady it would be for Obama because being the power of being a tenacious bitch should be used only when necessary, not as a method of getting things done at all.
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jabbaciv Reply #24 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 29, 2008, 10:29:39 AM
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"I do not deny that my heart has greatly desired to ask what you offer. And now at last it comes. You will give me the Ring freely! In place of a Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!"

For some reason, that's what I think of when I picture Clinton getting handed the "unitary executive" powers the Bush administration has spent 8 years developing.
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Gwoo Reply #25 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 29, 2008, 10:34:04 AM
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That's good Jabba.

Mike Barnical just had a great line about Shrillary.  "It was just 4 short weeks ago where she stood in NH and thanked people saying she had found her voice and what we didn't know was it was Edgar Bergen's."

(Edgar Bergen was a ventriloquist for you folks under the age of 45.)
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jabbaciv Reply #26 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 29, 2008, 10:38:27 AM
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Frontpaged on DailyKos:

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When women who consider themselves feminists read a load of crap like this from the New York chapter of NOW, we feel betrayed:

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Ultimate Betrayal Felt by Women Everywhere
ALBANY, NY -- Women have just experienced the ultimate betrayal. Senator Kennedy’s endorsement of Hillary Clinton’s opponent in the Democratic presidential primary campaign has really hit women hard. Women have forgiven Kennedy, stuck up for him, stood by him, hushed the fact that he was late in his support of Title IX, the ERA, the Family Leave and Medical Act to name a few. Women have buried their anger that his support for the compromises in No Child Left Behind and the Medicare bogus drug benefit brought us the passage of these flawed bills. We have thanked him for his ardent support of many civil rights bills, BUT women are always waiting in the wings.
Yuck. Just yuck. I could’ve sworn we’d dumped the notion of sticking up for men when we didn’t think they deserved it. Or shutting our mouths when we disagreed with them. Or "burying our anger" if they compromised on issues important to us. If New York NOW members kept quiet about Kennedy’s stands -- until yesterday -- and were "always waiting in the wings," I think they’ve missed an important stop or two on the Equality Express.

The press release only gets worse ... with the bonus of exclamation points!
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And now the greatest betrayal! We are repaid with his abandonment! He’s picked the new guy over us.
Shrieky non-professional press release! Using junior-high-girl-dumped-by-her-boyfriend-for-new-girl-in-town framing! And guilt-tripping too! Terrific example of politically savvy empowerment, women! Thanks! Way to get fellow power brokers to take female voices seriously!
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He’s joined the list of progressive white men who can’t or won’t handle the prospect of a woman president who is Hillary Clinton (they will of course say they support a woman president, just not "this" one). "They" are Howard Dean and Jim Dean (Yup! That’s Howard’s brother) who run DFA (that’s the group and list from the Dean campaign that we women helped start and grow). They are Alternet, Progressive Democrats of America, democrats.com,
Yes! Progressive white men who happen to think a different candidate is preferable for president are the oppressors! Nobody can build coalitions like NY NOW! (As an aside, I assume only white men are oppressive if they don’t want Hillary for president. Because African-American males who support Obama because he’s one of them, well ... that’s natural. But white males who support Edwards ... ouch. Never mind. My head hurts.)

This sophomoric whine is Exhibit #1 in the ineffectiveness of chip-on-the-shoulder identity politics. And when polls show that while a vast majority of women believe the women’s movement has been of benefit to themselves and this country -- and yet fewer than a quarter are willing to identify themselves as "feminists" -- something’s gone terribly wrong with the public face of the movement. This press release shows why. I don’t want to be associated with the authors either.

Thanks, New York NOW, for crystallizing in one short document pretty much every shallow stereotype about "women’s libbers" that’s been bandied about for half a century.  You didn’t just piss off the white progressive men you attacked. You pissed off a lot of women as well ... as evidenced by most of the commentary in IndianaDemocrat’s diary that first brought the issue up.
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Gwoo Reply #27 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 29, 2008, 11:16:32 AM
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The democrats are playing special interests in a game of rock, paper, scissors, only it's "crumpled paper" representing white males and rock and scissors representing women and blacks.

Pick one, but Rock covers crumpled paper and Scissors cut crumpled paper.

Idiots.
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icicole Reply #28 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 29, 2008, 06:38:30 PM

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I am eager for poll data post event in the upcoming primaries, but  I have to believe this is going to be a huge bounce for him.  Kennedy's endorsement also provides cover for Super Delegates to switch sides.

Yeah, that's been a new concern for me, these "super-delegates".  Hillary has been projected to get most of them, last I checked.

ETA:  Looks like McCain and Clinton are projected to win Florida.  <sarcasm>Damn shame Hillary doesn't get any delegates from it...</sarcasm>
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Gwoo Reply #29 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 29, 2008, 06:47:45 PM
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Oh Shrillary is intending to fight to change the rules in Michigan and Florida.  Somehow, of course, they're wanting to be fiddling with the rules will be spinned as their merely fighting back against some unfair slight directed at them by somebody.

McCain gets FL which gives him the bounce needed to get some more cash for ads for Super Tuesday, while Romney stays tantalizingly close enough to compel him to spend another $10M to $15M more of his own money to keep going.  He's already thrown in $40M of his own cash, so what's another $10M to $15M, anyway?
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sinic Reply #30 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 29, 2008, 07:22:13 PM
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Slack.

I still like that in MI, where Clinton pretty much ran unopposed, nearly 250k people turned out to vote "unconfirmed," a vote I took to mean "Anyone but The Bitch."

Fuck her if she retroactively re-instates those delegates.  That's just not playing fair (then again I'm sure we all expect nothing less from her).
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Narcissa Reply #31 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 29, 2008, 07:27:49 PM

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Banana hammock.

I'm curious as to who selected Mitt Romney.  Also I would like to hear why.  I haven't spoken to one of his supporters and I really like to hear from all sides of the debate.

(I don't mean to "out" anyone or make them feel weird, just curious)

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TIP Reply #32 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 29, 2008, 07:32:07 PM

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Yeah.  If that event could get me emotionally, then I can only imagine how it has energized old hippies who like the taste of the Kool-aid the left serves up.

I'm not an old hippie, but Obama's speeches stunned the hell out of me. I did not a political candidate to make me feel inspired and hopeful. Or to have one who seems, you know, honest in wanting to change things.
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thedrunkenmonkey Reply #33 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 29, 2008, 07:46:23 PM

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Drink the Kool-Aid, Gwoo. You're almost there, all you have to do is just let go, and take one sip, and we'll rename you to Brother Fairyflower Heartsong Greenwalker.

And then I'll sit up in the trees and make fun of your hippie ass.

Romney and McCain are more of the same. Edwards will be an also-ran. Obama, on the other hand, is the guy who...eh, I heard him speak. The guy does SEEM like he's honest in wanting to change things, but that's the key difference.

From a long time ago, out of the field of candidates, I picked the one who inspired me to support him and not care if he won or lost, but just to support him, because I feel like he believes he can do the things he's saying he can do.

In other words: I don't think he's a damn liar. Out of the rest of the field, I'm pretty sure he's not a damn liar.
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TIP Reply #34 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 29, 2008, 07:56:47 PM

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Y'know, I used to like McCain before he started giving the current administration rimjobs.
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julia Reply #35 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 29, 2008, 08:31:35 PM
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I still like that in MI, where Clinton pretty much ran unopposed, nearly 250k people turned out to vote "unconfirmed," a vote I took to mean "Anyone but The Bitch."

Washtenaw County's vote came out MORE unconfirmed/uncommitted than for Hillary.
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Pixie Reply #36 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 29, 2008, 08:49:17 PM

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"I was the only democrat on the ballot, but the VOTE SHOULD STILL COUNT, right guys? Right?"

Fuck you, Hillary.  Angry
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Antero Reply #37 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 30, 2008, 04:44:59 AM
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Not your monkey.

Romney and McCain are more of the same. Edwards will be an also-ran. Obama, on the other hand, is the guy who...eh, I heard him speak. The guy does SEEM like he's honest in wanting to change things, but that's the key difference.
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jabbaciv Reply #38 in Down to the Terminal Three — Posted January 30, 2008, 06:16:55 AM
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I think it's gotten to the point where, if Hillary somehow wins the primary, she'll certainly lose the general. She will have won the primary in such a way that she guarantees significantly less then full Democrat turnout in the general, and she's not going to wrangle up any crossover votes. McCain can pitch the election as being between Integrity and Duplicity, and walk right on into the White House.
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