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Have Some Bad Journalism, Scix
« on: February 27, 2011, 04:14:28 AM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/25/AR2011022503169.html

This article, entitled "Five Myths About Liberal Academia," is about precisely what it says, and is terrible. Reprinted here is, not the article, but my reaction to it in a gTalk conversation with the guy who linked it to me. Said conversation contains opinions backed up by educated guesses, but it still likely contains more sense than the article.

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Me: ..."Myth" 1 is disproven by the most broken metric possible.

"Myth" 2 does not take into account that the main vector of any such indoctrination would be history courses. In particular, economics instructors are usually the most conservative people in the faculty.

Oh my fuck. Number three completely ignores the self-reporting error nominally addressed by the methodology of number one.

You know what's fucking wrong with academia? Conservatives hate it, resulting in dumbfuck conservatives who can't properly construct a study.

Friend: Heheheheheh

Me: I... eggh... WARRRGARBLE

This is clearly written by one of said dumbfuck conservatives, and yet in number four, HE DROPS HIS OWN GODDAMN STAR ARGUMENT. To find conservative academics that are ostracized, just find anyone that signed the fucking Manhattan Declaration or whatever the fuck it was called.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Conference_on_Climate_Change#Manhattan_Declaration This, if you don't know.

Friend: Huh.

Me: Oh god, number five is pathetic.

The authors succeed in providing evidence that left-leaners are simply more dedicated to knowledge as a goal, which is significantly more damning than the thing they were trying to argue against. Conservatives: lacking curiosity and motivated by wealth. Who. Fucking. Knew.

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Re: Have Some Bad Journalism, Scix
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2011, 07:44:17 AM »
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Do red-blooded, hard-working Americans pay thousands of dollars each year to send their children to college, only to have those kids turned into pot-smoking Obamacare-lovers by a pack of communist hippies?

This reads like a Fox News poll.
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Re: Have Some Bad Journalism, Scix
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2011, 07:48:23 AM »
Having read the article, it doesn't seem that bad? Probably not enough data to draw the (fairly modest) conclusions that he does, but as a random point of interest, it doesn't make my brain melt?
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Re: Have Some Bad Journalism, Scix
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2011, 08:01:28 AM »
I didn't find the article all that inflammatory on my initial read through.  The first read was mostly cursory and half-assed just to pick up the writer's tone and bits of info without spending too much time on it.  Despite clearly being written by a fairly conservative reporter it was pretty peaceful, it aimed more to put liberals and conservatives on equal ground* instead of what I expected which would be to make liberals look like pompous assholes and conservatives like heroes.

Then I read Bistro's friend's statements and read through it again.  Bistro's friend has that pretty spot on, the information provided was poorly and probably quickly put together.  Due to its purpose though, I'm not going to condemn it just because it seems to be aiming to equalize opposing groups* rather than separate them.  

*: It still noted large separations in ideology and purpose in life but still posted both groups as being similar in that they are humans striving for success through education.

(This has been written by a Liberal Democrat/Utopian Socialist and combat veteran of the US Armed Forces but does not mean to express the views of the US Armed Forces)

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This reads like a Fox News poll.

I had to scroll back to the top to check the website after I read that, I thought I have been redirected to Fox.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2011, 08:04:50 AM by Aust-Reborn »
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Re: Have Some Bad Journalism, Scix
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2011, 04:36:30 PM »
Washington Post:
You should know better.
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Re: Have Some Bad Journalism, Scix
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2011, 09:05:51 PM »
Scix, do you think you could detail a little better than I did what went wrong here? I feel like you get where I'm coming from, and aside from my accusations of cultural ignorance, which are quite arguable, I think you have more experience in breaking these matters down than I do.
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Re: Have Some Bad Journalism, Scix
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2011, 03:35:02 AM »
I might; I'll give it a whack in the morning.
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Re: Have Some Bad Journalism, Scix
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2011, 04:54:18 AM »
What's the deal with Scix and bad journalism, anyway?
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Re: Have Some Bad Journalism, Scix
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2011, 06:56:49 AM »
I don't know, I've read articles that are way, way worse than this one, which is merely weak and rather pointless.

The discussion of point 1 is completely without merit because it does not in any way, shape or form take into consideration the political position of college professors compared to the rest of the population. If a considerably higher percentage of the mainstream US population thinks that homosexuality and cohabiting without marriage are acceptable than they did 20 years ago - and every indication says that this is the case, then one would expect the same shift in college professors, wouldn't one?

I can't find much fault with points 2 and 3. The data seems a bit scant, but there don't seem to be any obvious errors here.

The discussion of point 4 is weakened mainly by the fact that they discuss only one publishing house, and don't have a look at the rejection pile of even that one. Neither do they explain how they arrive at the classification of scientific articles as conservative or liberal. And while I haven't read the study they cite, even looking at the abstract makes me facepalm...

And regarding point 5 - yeah, what bistro said in the quoted part of his first post.
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Re: Have Some Bad Journalism, Scix
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2011, 04:40:05 PM »
What's the deal with Scix and bad journalism, anyway?
Among my many past lives (meant figuratively, put away your chakras), I was a journalist. as such, I am a bit more critical of journalism than some. I hold to starry-eyed ideals that were never historically accurate: namely, that the reporter should do his very best to keep his own biases out of the article, that he should research as much as humanly possible to verify the veracity of the story, and that sloppy language and misleading headlines are a very, very bad idea.
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Re: Have Some Bad Journalism, Scix
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2011, 10:58:25 PM »
Sounds more like an Op-Ed than actual journalism.
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Re: Have Some Bad Journalism, Scix
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2011, 04:21:27 AM »
Yep.

Most journalism seems to be becoming Op Eds.
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