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fae Reply #20 in Re: Irony — Posted May 09, 2006, 03:15:50 PM
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I'm trying hard to think of the last time that I used the word irony in a conversation not about irony, or not in response to someone else using it in a way that didn't follow my conventional understanding of the word.

When I use the words in papers, I have always used the dictionary definition.  In conversation...  the only time I remember using it, it was when someone as being exceptionally witty, so again, denotative.  Which is why I made the thread, I guess, because I think at a fundamental level I don't understand the common use of it.

Is it like, an unintentional contradiction?  Another way to say that someone is being a hypocrite?
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Badger Reply #21 in Re: Irony — Posted May 09, 2006, 03:27:31 PM
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I think there's a lot of that.

Though it's perhaps not even so strong as outright hypocrisy, but rather, "Uh, do you have any idea how contradictory what you just said is to the image you've shown of yourself?  The rest of us have some data that makes what you just said utterly inconsistent with the perception of your character."
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fae Reply #22 in Re: Irony — Posted May 09, 2006, 03:34:39 PM
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SteelAngelJohn Reply #23 in Re: Irony — Posted May 09, 2006, 04:10:43 PM

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We know it's full of PRECIOUS BOOTY.

One verse in Ironic is actually valid under the classical definition of irony. Anyone want some applause by stating which one?
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"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part, you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!" - Mario Savio
007bistromath Reply #24 in Re: Irony — Posted May 09, 2006, 04:23:58 PM
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Left his attack boots in China

Shot in the dark: the cigarette thing? The person expects to have a relaxing smoke, contradicted by the sign.
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SteelAngelJohn Reply #25 in Re: Irony — Posted May 09, 2006, 05:52:02 PM

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We know it's full of PRECIOUS BOOTY.

Newp. Next!
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"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part, you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!" - Mario Savio
fae Reply #26 in Re: Irony — Posted May 09, 2006, 06:02:38 PM
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Don't applaud me, or I'll cry.  You can smite me though, I need six more  The death row pardon?
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goo Reply #27 in Re: Irony — Posted May 09, 2006, 06:10:42 PM
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You are Too my Monkey

"Mr Play-It-Safe was afraid to fly
Packed his suitcase and kissed his kids goodbye
He waited his whole damn life to take this flight
And as the plane crashed down he thought 'Well isn't this nice'"

Though that's bordering on Poetic Justice.
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SteelAngelJohn Reply #28 in Re: Irony — Posted May 09, 2006, 06:12:37 PM

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We know it's full of PRECIOUS BOOTY.

Goo wins. Though yes, it does border.
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"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part, you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!" - Mario Savio
fae Reply #29 in Re: Irony — Posted May 09, 2006, 06:13:05 PM
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Smile Oh.
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Gwoo Reply #30 in Re: Irony — Posted May 09, 2006, 06:13:51 PM
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Yeah, I stay awake nights worrying about this.  I can't get to sleep sometimes because of it, so then I have to shift gears and figure out how many angels I could get to dance on the head of a pin.

And that gets compounded by whether or not they are line dancing, doing a waltz, break dancing, the electric slide, the fox trot, the twist.

It gets really, really complex sometimes.
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SteelAngelJohn Reply #31 in Re: Irony — Posted May 09, 2006, 06:14:50 PM

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We know it's full of PRECIOUS BOOTY.

Leave Sarcasm to the brits, eh? We're better at it. Tongue
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"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part, you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!" - Mario Savio
fae Reply #32 in Re: Irony — Posted May 09, 2006, 06:20:55 PM
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Wow Gwoo, you too?  That's amazing. I thought I was the only one who did that.
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goo Reply #33 in Re: Irony — Posted May 09, 2006, 06:36:47 PM
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You are Too my Monkey

Yeah, I stay awake nights worrying about this. I can't get to sleep sometimes because of it, so then I have to shift gears and figure out how many angels I could get to dance on the head of a pin.

And that gets compounded by whether or not they are line dancing, doing a waltz, break dancing, the electric slide, the fox trot, the twist.

It gets really, really complex sometimes.

Mine always line dance.

Angels look nice in cowboy boots.
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Sean Reply #34 in Re: Irony — Posted May 09, 2006, 06:38:55 PM

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Boom

Though the assless chaps do look a little odd on them.
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Antero Reply #35 in Re: Irony — Posted May 09, 2006, 08:05:07 PM
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Not your monkey.

Quote from: The OED
IRONY, n.
1. A figure of speech in which the intended meaning is the opposite of that expressed by the words used; usually taking the form of sarcasm or ridicule in which laudatory expressions are used to imply condemnation or contempt.

    b. with an and pl. An instance of this; an ironical utterance or expression.

    2. fig. A condition of affairs or events of a character opposite to what was, or might naturally be, expected; a contradictory outcome of events as if in mockery of the promise and fitness of things. (In F. ironie du sort.)

    3. In etymological sense: Dissimulation, pretence; esp. in reference to the dissimulation of ignorance practised by Socrates as a means of confuting an adversary (Socratic irony).

ADDITIONS SERIES 1993

    irony, n.

    Add:    [2.] spec. in Theatr. (freq. as dramatic or tragic irony), the incongruity created when the (tragic) significance of a character's speech or actions is revealed to the audience but unknown to the character concerned; the literary device so used, orig. in Greek tragedy; also transf. (Later examples.)
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Zahnnie Reply #36 in Re: Irony — Posted May 10, 2006, 06:37:24 AM
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I *heart* pie (sexily).

I thought it humorously ironic (in the "incorrect" use of the word perhaps) that Fae hated Sinic for being insensitive and rude.

 :Smile
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007bistromath Reply #37 in Re: Irony — Posted May 10, 2006, 09:17:48 AM
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Left his attack boots in China

Great job there smearing some argument nobody cares about into other threads. Surely you are providing a valuable service.
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machiavelli33 Reply #38 in Re: Irony — Posted May 10, 2006, 09:19:10 AM
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Not your typical chinaman.

Someone get me a hose.
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007bistromath Reply #39 in Re: Irony — Posted May 10, 2006, 09:30:53 AM
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No, no, don't bother, I can already hear it. And no, I do not do that. I never have. I actually hope everyone remembers this for when xF is back up so that we can dig in the archives, because I am 100% certain I can prove that whichever examples anyone cares to throw at me were topical to the thread they pulled them out of. Not in the present sense of "I think fae made this thread because of something that happened in my argument, so it must be part of my argument," but rather a real, logical relationship between the subjects of interest, regardless of any malice or spite.
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