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Re: Public Schools: the Spearpoint of the American Fascist Movement
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2010, 02:31:50 PM »
Monkey, unless I'm reading that wrong, you think that just because the school supplied the laptops, they are entitled to spy on what the person using them is doing, up to and including using the cameras and the only recourse that person has is to put tape over the camera.

Bullshit.  And I'm pretty sure the FBI agrees, since they're now investigating the incident.
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Re: Public Schools: the Spearpoint of the American Fascist Movement
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2010, 09:17:53 PM »
Quote from: thedrunkenmonkey on February 20, 2010, 01:30:34 PM

The other thing is, the school hasn't said what the kid did. The evidence that the kid got whacked for hasn't been brought out. So at the moment all this tempest is about something that nobody's talking about or describing. Is the kid picking his nose and wiping it on the mascot? Is he wanking for the camera? Is he singing classic American musical numbers dressed like RuPaul? We have no idea. Nor is the school releasing that information.

rom the link above, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/20/AR2010022000679.html
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The suit, which seeks class-action status, alleges that Harriton vice principal Lindy Matsko on Nov. 11 cited a laptop photo in telling Blake that the school thought he was engaging in improper behavior. He and his family have told reporters that an official mistook a piece of candy for a pill and thought he was selling drugs.
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Re: Public Schools: the Spearpoint of the American Fascist Movement
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2010, 11:16:59 PM »
Quote from: thedrunkenmonkey on February 20, 2010, 01:30:34 PM
Personally if the kid was pulling whatever he was doing on the school network, the school, in my mind, would have had jurisdiction.  But until I activate the work VPN and access the work network, my work laptop is not allowed to connect to any other system out there.
You'd be wrong.  Electronic privacy law focuses on the interception of data, not on the ownership of the network.  Even if the school could inform the students of the more limited surveillance possibility that they discuss - that is, activating only in the event of theft - the user would still have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

Legally speaking, there are a number of causes of action created under tort law (intrusion upon seclusion, ECPA violations, stored communications violations, &c) that apply to the class as a whole.

Interestingly it's probably not criminal in PA to surreptitiously watch the students; the program the school was using, however, also took a snapshot of the screen and could monitor internet use in that way.  That's getting into the interception of electronic communications, i.e. a felony.
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Re: Public Schools: the Spearpoint of the American Fascist Movement
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2010, 11:45:13 PM »
When I was in high school and they started issuing laptops to everyone (except me, because I'm awesome), all of the students thought/suspected/knew they were doing this.  During class, at least.  They could pull up screens of whatever we were doing on their computers, control access to internet sites, and remotely access the webcam and built in microphones.

I don't personally know if my school ever did that, but I am glad that I had my own laptop.  And that's not just because I could bypass the internet security by using my grandma's old AOL account.

On the legal side, wouldn't it be problematic for the school's official spy-people if they happened to accidentally catch a student in a state of undress?  I would assume that falls somewhere under viewing child pornography...

Eh.  If I'd thought about it I would have been creeped out.  I'm a little creeped out now.  I wasn't when I was in high school.  Though I still would have covered the webcam if I'd gotten one of their computers.
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Re: Public Schools: the Spearpoint of the American Fascist Movement
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2010, 07:24:14 AM »
The issue I think a lot of us are forgetting is that we are not eleven-fourteen years old. We are computer saavy and are generally more aware about how crafty predators are getting.

When you're a pre-teen to 14, you go "Hey! I got something for free! Let me go talk to Janey to talk about how hot Mark is over the interwebs!". Few children that age are even aware about all the ins and outs of computers, how they can be used and how they can't. To them, it plays games, it gets music, and it opens the websites to their favorite bands.

Truthfully, we were the first generations that had computers. And in it's infancy, we were awarded some protection as the predators were just understanding it's potential by the time we became jaded to the horrors of the world. Doesn't mean we weren't stupid kids. We probably were. We were just safe under the general blanket of ignorance and lack of availability in technology.
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Re: Public Schools: the Spearpoint of the American Fascist Movement
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2010, 08:09:24 AM »
You were my first predator Rev, you'll always hold a special place in my heart.

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