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sinic    Topic opened April 04, 2007, 08:31:02 PM
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The Zeta Channel Moderation Staff have gotten together and decided it is time for the Debate subforum to have its own set of rules.  We have been contemplating a move like this for a while and would rather have not done this, but recent events have underscored its necessity.  Needless to say if people are unable to follow the rules of civil debate they will no longer be allowed to participate in this forum until such time as they learn to behave more appropriately.  All the standard forum rules of course still apply, in fact they apply even more rigorously here.  Thumbing one's nose at the rules will lead to prompt action, ranging from warnings to outright bans. Whatever views you have are your own. This is about mudslinging, trolling, flame-baiting, and general prickishness, not about anyone's political views.

Also, remember that expecting your opponent(s) to change their opinions is probably in vain. Giving them good arguments that bolster your position, showing them major flaws in their arguments, and perhaps getting them to re-evaluate their position is all you can reasonably hope to achieve, so consider debating from that perspective.

This forum will now be locked for two days, due to the persistent violations of the rules by multiple parties. When it opens again, we'd like to see a little more civility in the debates. From now on, anyone caught trolling, flame-baiting, or responding to either, will be given a warning for the first offence, a two day muting from the Debate forum for the second, a week from the entire board for the third, and, on the fourth offence, will be permanently banned from Zeta Channel.

All the rules apply in the Debate forum, with the following addenda:

1.  You may not necessarily agree with your opponent(s), but you must respect them.  Name calling may have worked as a debate tactic in third grade, but it won't fly here.  If you want to counter someone's point you need to substantiate the counterpoint.  Continually dismissing stuff out of hand will show that you aren't really interested in a debate.
2.  Conduct yourself with dignity.  Each post needn't be a formal essay, but it should be well spelled and written in a style expressing a seriousness towards the topic.  The occasional joke is still allowable, but if that's all one brings to the thread then why even show up in the first place?
3.  "He started it" is not a valid justification.  My mom always used to tell me "It takes two to argue" when I was a child and that holds true now.  If someone starts down the road of rule breaking and you follow down after them you will both share the punishment.
4. Facts and statistics used in your debates should be cited and linked to whenever possible. If you can't back it up, it isn't a fact.
5. Tempers flare. It happens. Don't make it personal.

In short, don't be a prick, and you won't get the shaft.
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sinic Reply #1 in The Future of the Debate Forum — Posted November 15, 2008, 08:06:09 AM
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This hasn't been editted in a while, but Anumati posted a good link that I think should also fall under the sub-rule set for Debate.  I'm not exactly sure these will be enforced rules, but they should definitely be thought of a guiding principles of conduct.

The 10 Signs of Intellectual Honesty

October 20th, 2008 by Mike Gene

When it comes to just about any topic, it seems as if the public discourse on the internet is dominated by rhetoric and propaganda. People are either selling products or ideology. In fact, just because someone may come across as calm and knowledgeable does not mean you should let your guard down and trust what they say. What you need to look for is a track record of intellectual honesty. Let me therefore propose 10 signs of intellectual honesty.

1. Do not overstate the power of your argument. One’s sense of conviction should be in proportion to the level of clear evidence assessable by most. If someone portrays their opponents as being either stupid or dishonest for disagreeing, intellectual dishonesty is probably in play. Intellectual honesty is most often associated with humility, not arrogance.

2. Show a willingness to publicly acknowledge that reasonable alternative viewpoints exist. The alternative views do not have to be treated as equally valid or powerful, but rarely is it the case that one and only one viewpoint has a complete monopoly on reason and evidence.

3. Be willing to publicly acknowledge and question one’s own assumptions and biases. All of us rely on assumptions when applying our world view to make sense of the data about the world. And all of us bring various biases to the table.

4. Be willing to publicly acknowledge where your argument is weak. Almost all arguments have weak spots, but those who are trying to sell an ideology will have great difficulty with this point and would rather obscure or downplay any weak points.

5. Be willing to publicly acknowledge when you are wrong. Those selling an ideology likewise have great difficulty admitting to being wrong, as this undercuts the rhetoric and image that is being sold. You get small points for admitting to being wrong on trivial matters and big points for admitting to being wrong on substantive points. You lose big points for failing to admit being wrong on something trivial.

6. Demonstrate consistency. A clear sign of intellectual dishonesty is when someone extensively relies on double standards. Typically, an excessively high standard is applied to the perceived opponent(s), while a very low standard is applied to the ideologues’ allies.

7. Address the argument instead of attacking the person making the argument. Ad hominem arguments are a clear sign of intellectual dishonesty. However, often times, the dishonesty is more subtle. For example, someone might make a token effort at debunking an argument and then turn significant attention to the person making the argument, relying on stereotypes, guilt-by-association, and innocent-sounding gotcha questions.

8. When addressing an argument, do not misrepresent it. A common tactic of the intellectually dishonest is to portray their opponent’s argument in straw man terms. In politics, this is called spin. Typically, such tactics eschew quoting the person in context, but instead rely heavily on out-of-context quotes, paraphrasing and impression. When addressing an argument, one should shows signs of having made a serious effort to first understand the argument and then accurately represent it in its strongest form.

9. Show a commitment to critical thinking. 
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10. Be willing to publicly acknowledge when a point or criticism is good. If someone is unable or unwilling to admit when their opponent raises a good point or makes a good criticism, it demonstrates an unwillingness to participate in the give-and-take that characterizes an honest exchange.

While no one is perfect, and even those who strive for intellectual honesty can have a bad day, simply be on the look out for how many and how often these criteria apply to someone. In the arena of public discourse, it is not intelligence or knowledge that matters most – it is whether you can trust the intelligence or knowledge of another. After all, intelligence and knowledge can sometimes be the best tools of an intellectually dishonest approach.
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Anumati Reply #2 in Debate Forum additional Rules/Guidelines — Posted December 17, 2008, 10:59:49 AM
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This is where I say something clever.

I don't want to edit this as I think it's a good reminder of what happens when people act like jackasses in the Debate forum, so I'm un-stickying it and posting an entirely new rules thread instead.
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