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The Revolution Reply #20 in US sends troops into Georgia (the country) — Posted August 14, 2008, 08:23:34 PM
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Quote from: Bunner on August 14, 2008, 03:18:06 PM
This would be why:

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It would amuse me greatly if she was actually living in the correct Georgia, but has been facing the wrong way since it started.
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julia Reply #21 in US sends troops into Georgia (the country) — Posted August 14, 2008, 09:38:20 PM
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Best.  Troll.  Evar.

Maybe not... people these days...
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Gudy Reply #22 in US sends troops into Georgia (the country) — Posted August 15, 2008, 12:57:28 AM
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Quote from: jabbaciv on August 14, 2008, 08:18:42 PM
Anybody want to bet that the Russian invasion of Georgia definitely inspired Poland to go ahead and accept our deal?

Possible. Likely even. Although I believe that Poland is generally on sufficiently friendly terms with the US to have done so anyway. Although it seems to me that the lesson to be learned from the incident with Georgia is that being tight buddies with the US is not sufficient protection when you piss of the Russian bear who is growling right across the border.
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Dagda Reply #23 in US sends troops into Georgia (the country) — Posted August 15, 2008, 06:39:31 AM
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I heard a quote (in passing, so it may not be quite accurate, but the gist is there) on NPR yesterday from a Russian general who essentially said "If the US can take Baghdad, why can't the Russians take Tbilisi?"

This supports Russia's stance on their involvement in the whole thing. That Russian government is saying that Georgia invaded a legitimate separatist state, and that the Georgian army was performing acts of extreme violence and potential war crimes, so Russia got involved to help out the people of South Ossetia. You know, that old "We're fighting a war on terror. And terror is whatever we want to define it as..."
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S*S Reply #24 in US sends troops into Georgia (the country) — Posted August 15, 2008, 08:04:58 AM
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Quote from: Bunner on August 14, 2008, 03:18:06 PM
This would be why:

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HAHAHAHAHA.

Oh god, perfection.

Why is everyone criticizing the US here, again? Sending in aid despite the risks is the right thing to do. Also, I put £10 down on this "not leading to nuclear war", you alarmists. I doubt they'll even be incidences of friendly fire- neither country wants an incident, and they're not exactly going to be conducting combined forces operations with each other, they're going to each be keeping out of the others way.

My internet is down and Ive been behind on the news. I wonder if I have enough time left on this computer to see what aid, if any, the UN has provided.

Also, I wonder if this affects Obama's stance of keeping Russia in G8?
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MalaysianShrew Reply #25 in US sends troops into Georgia (the country) — Posted August 15, 2008, 08:53:49 AM
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Quote from: Gudy on August 15, 2008, 12:57:28 AM
Possible. Likely even. Although I believe that Poland is generally on sufficiently friendly terms with the US to have done so anyway. Although it seems to me that the lesson to be learned from the incident with Georgia is that being tight buddies with the US is not sufficient protection when you piss of the Russian bear who is growling right across the border.

Actually, a bunch of Eastern European countries' leaders, including Poland, went to Tbilisi to protest Russian aggression. The US is putting a bunch of fancy AA equipment in Poland at their request as well in exchange for the missile shield deal. Also, Ukraine has told the Russian Black Sea Fleet to go fuck itself after it left Sevastopol, a naval base on lease to Russia, to blockade Georgia. Nearest major Russian naval base? St. Petersburg. Interesting that they captured the Georgian port of Poti and aren't in a hurry to leave...
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While Poland is generally pro-US, public opinion has been pretty divided on whether it would be a good idea to actually have ABM systems in their country, and I also suspect that this will make putting them in much more popular.
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Gudy Reply #27 in US sends troops into Georgia (the country) — Posted August 15, 2008, 11:53:13 AM
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Quote from: MalaysianShrew on August 15, 2008, 08:53:49 AM
Actually, a bunch of Eastern European countries' leaders, including Poland, went to Tbilisi to protest Russian aggression. The US is putting a bunch of fancy AA equipment in Poland at their request as well in exchange for the missile shield deal. Also, Ukraine has told the Russian Black Sea Fleet to go fuck itself after it left Sevastopol, a naval base on lease to Russia, to blockade Georgia. Nearest major Russian naval base? St. Petersburg. Interesting that they captured the Georgian port of Poti and aren't in a hurry to leave...

I suspect that as far as Putin is concerned, those countries' leaders can protest all they want, because he doesn't strike me as someone who overmuch cares about anyone's opinion as long as they don't get in the way. The guy is scarily pragmatist like that.

The Ukrainian thing about refusing re-entry to Sevastopol is more interesting. Ukraine and Russia don't get along all that well, and with the strife between the more Ukrainian-dominated West Ukraine and the more heavily Russian influenced East Ukraine, there is likely a lot of internal politics at work in that decision, in addition to the obvious snub at Russia.

But I agree. It should be interesting to see how long Russia will hold on to Poti...
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jabbaciv Reply #28 in US sends troops into Georgia (the country) — Posted August 15, 2008, 04:00:51 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080815/ap_on_re_eu/russia_us_missile_defense_15
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MOSCOW - A top Russian general said Friday that Poland's agreement to accept a U.S. missile interceptor base exposes the ex-communist nation to attack, possibly by nuclear weapons, the Interfax news agency reported.
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Poland and the United States on Thursday signed a deal for Poland to accept a missile interceptor base as part of a system the United States says is aimed at blocking attacks by rogue nations. Moscow, however, feels it is aimed at Russia's missile force.

"Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike — 100 percent," Nogovitsyn, the deputy chief of staff, was quoted as saying.

He added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia's military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them." Nogovitsyn that would include elements of strategic deterrence systems, he said, according to Interfax.

At a news conference earlier Friday, Nogovitsyn had reiterated Russia's frequently stated warning that placing missile-defense elements in Poland and the Czech Republic would bring an unspecified military response. But his subsequent reported statement substantially stepped up a war of words.
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jabbaciv Reply #29 in US sends troops into Georgia (the country) — Posted August 16, 2008, 05:49:37 AM
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FOX News pulls another whoops moment. They found a 12-year old (Wag the Dog anyone?) Ossetian girl and tried to get her to talk about what it was like to be on the receiving end of Russian aggression:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/H8XI2Chc6uQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/H8XI2Chc6uQ</a>
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Bunner Reply #30 in US sends troops into Georgia (the country) — Posted August 16, 2008, 06:15:33 AM
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Needs more cat.
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sinic Reply #31 in US sends troops into Georgia (the country) — Posted August 16, 2008, 10:28:43 AM
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Tell us about the bombs dropping.

I didn't hear any bombs dropping.

TELL US ABOUT THE FUCKING BOMBS DROPPING!

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Bunner Reply #32 in US sends troops into Georgia (the country) — Posted August 31, 2008, 12:15:30 PM
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Thank you, Georgia, South Ossetia, and Russia, for making the US Space Program a relevant topic of discussion again.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/orl-nasa2908aug30,0,3449221.story
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007bistromath Reply #33 in US sends troops into Georgia (the country) — Posted August 31, 2008, 12:19:56 PM
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Quote from: Bunner on August 31, 2008, 12:15:30 PM
Thank you, Georgia, South Ossetia, and Russia, for making the US Space Program a relevant topic of discussion again.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/orl-nasa2908aug30,0,3449221.story
Y'know...

If all of this shit kicks off WWIII, that's okay, because we know that at least if it happens this way, there might finally be space marines. I can forgive almost anything for that.
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jabbaciv Reply #34 in US sends troops into Georgia (the country) — Posted August 31, 2008, 05:14:00 PM
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Also, any of the horribly mutated survivors of the nuclear holocaust will have a lot more space to live in.

Course, we'll have to share it with packs of feral mutant giant dogs. And by "share" I mean "be eaten by". But that's the price of cheap real estate.
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Bunner Reply #35 in US sends troops into Georgia (the country) — Posted August 31, 2008, 06:42:16 PM
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But the really important question is:
Will the dogs talk? Will they help me find women?
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jabbaciv Reply #36 in US sends troops into Georgia (the country) — Posted August 31, 2008, 07:07:09 PM
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Yes.

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Bunner Reply #37 in US sends troops into Georgia (the country) — Posted November 23, 2008, 06:12:33 PM
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*casts resurrect thread*

Um. Oh dear:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20081123/georgia_shots_081123/20081123?hub=TopStories

Quick version: Shots fired at motorcade carrying Georgian and Polish presidents.

Soooo... Anybody heard from the Black Hand recently?
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