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« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2006, 11:30:01 AM »
Rise of the Cybermen.

Well, I can't really give an objective view of this, because just this morning I watched all of Genesis of the Daleks, to which this episode owes a good deal. Except I never would have expected Trigger in the Davros role... I'll go over it in detail after I've watched tomorrow's repeat, I think.

It was bloody good, though.

Oh, and...

Zvpxrl'f zrg Nygreangr Zvpxrl, nxn Evpxl (ub ub ub) jub vf Ybaqba'f Zbfg Jnagrq. V'z ab ybatre thrffvat: V'z abj nofbyhgryl pbaivaprq gung ur'f trggvat xvyyrq arkg jrrx. Pnfr bs zvfgnxra vqragvgl.
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« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2006, 11:36:29 AM »
edit: double post, due to crappy connection. Disconnected, reconnected, reposted and then found that it _had_ in fact gone through the first time after all.
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« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2006, 09:10:36 PM »
Fb obgu Yhzvp naq Penar ybbxrq ernyyl snzvyvne.  Jnfa'g Yhzvp gur thl sebz Ivpne bs Qvoyrl?  V pna'g svaq gur yvfgvat sbe guvf rcvfbqr ba vzqo, ohg V fjrne vg jnf uvz.  N ovg bqq frrvat uvz nf na rivy travhf nsgre jngpuvat gur svefg gjb Ivpne frevrf.

Ernyyl tbbq rcvfbqr... gbb onq vg jnf nyy frg-hc sbe arkg jrrx.  Fb zhpu tbbq onpxfgbel naq fhpu.  V jnf pbaivaprq Zvpxrl jnf tbvat gb or gur svefg plorezna, ohg ybbxf yvxr gung'f abg gur pnfr.

Fb jnf gur 1fg Qbpgbe xvyyrq ol plorezra gura?  Gung frrzf gb or jung V'z trggvat sebz jung V'z ernqvat nobhg gurz.  V thrff gung pbhyq yrnq gb Gur Qbpgbe'f cnavprq erfcbafr gb frrvat gurz.  Ur ybbxrq trahvaryl sevtugrarq juvpu frrzf n ovg bqq pbzvat sebz uvz, l'xabj?

Vg nyfb ybbxf yvxr gurl'er gelvat gb obeebj n ovg sebz gur Qnyrxf jvgu gur jubyr "LBH JVYY OR QRYRGRQ" ovg.  Fb jung'f gur ovg nobhg Yhzvp orvat Qniebf?  Qniebf jnfa'g uhzna, jnf ur?  Frrzf n ovg bqq gb gvr uvz va jvgu gur perngvba bs obgu Qnyrx naq Plorezra.  Bs pbhefr V pbhyq or pbzcyrgryl bss-onfr urer.  V nz fgvyy n Qbpgbe arbculgr.

In conclusion:  Good episode, can't wait for next week.
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« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2006, 09:14:50 PM »
Lrnu, gur Svefg Qbpgbe jnf "xvyyrq" (jryy, sbeprq gb ertrarengr) qhevat n pbasebagngvba jvgu gur plorezra. Guvf bar, va snpg.
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« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2006, 09:35:20 PM »
Cbxvat nebhaq jvxvcrqvn gurl qba'g unir Zvpxl va nal bs gur pnfg yvfgvatf nsgre gur arkg rcvfbqr.  Abg fher jung gb znxr bs gung.

FCBVYRE JVGUVA N FCBVYRE NYREG

Gurl nyfb uvag ng gur svany rcvfbqr orvat plorezra i. qnyrxf.  Ubj gvtug jbhyq gung or?
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« Reply #45 on: May 14, 2006, 03:33:05 AM »
Quote from: Count_Zero on May 13, 2006, 09:14:50 PM
Lrnu, gur Svefg Qbpgbe jnf "xvyyrq" (jryy, sbeprq gb ertrarengr) qhevat n pbasebagngvba jvgu gur plorezra. Guvf bar, va snpg.
Gung'f engure na bqq vagrecergngvba bs gur riragf va Gur Gragu Cynarg. Gur Qbpgbe qrsrngrq gur Plorezra (jryy, qrynlrq gurz ybat rabhtu gung gur qvfvagrtengvba bs Zbaqnf gbbx gurz nyy bhg, naljnl) naq erghearq gb gur GNEQVF. Gur npghny ernfba sbe gur ertrarengvba jnf rkgerzr ntr (ur fnlf fbzrguvat nybat gur yvarf bs 'Guvf obql vf jrnevat n ovg guva').

Nyfb, gurfr riragf bppheerq va 1986 va Nagnepgvpn, va gur 'abezny' Jubavirefr. Gur riragf va guvf havirefr qb abg nccrne erzbgryl pbaarpgrq. Sbe n fgneg, gur Plorezra frrz gb unir orra perngrq ol Yhzvp, jurernf gur 'abezny' plorezra pnzr sebz Zbaqnf.

...Nygubhtu V jbaqre vs Yhzvp pnzr hc jvgu gur cynaf sbe Plorezra ba uvf bja be vs ur'f orra vasyhraprq ol rkgreany sbeprf.

Gur snangvp va zr jnf engure cyrnfrq jvgu gur zragvba bs Vagreangvbany Ryrpgebzngvpf - gur anzr bs gur pbzcnal eha ol Gbovnf Inhtua juvpu ranoyrq gur Plorezra vainfvba bs rnegu va gur 1968 fgbel 'Gur Vainfvba'.


V jbaqre nobhg gur qrngu bs Zvpxrl, gubhtu. Creuncf Evpxl vf xvyyrq naq Zvpxrl whfg nffhzrf uvf vqragvgl gb fgnl jvgu uvf tenaqzn?

Pna'g jnvg sbe arkg jrrx...
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« Reply #46 on: May 14, 2006, 03:42:12 AM »
Quote from: sinic on May 13, 2006, 09:10:36 PM
  Fb jung'f gur ovg nobhg Yhzvp orvat Qniebf?  Qniebf jnfa'g uhzna, jnf ur?  Frrzf n ovg bqq gb gvr uvz va jvgu gur perngvba bs obgu Qnyrx naq Plorezra.  Bs pbhefr V pbhyq or pbzcyrgryl bss-onfr urer.  V nz fgvyy n Qbpgbe arbculgr.

In conclusion:  Good episode, can't wait for next week.

V guvax Cubobf zrnag Yhzvp jnf gnxvat gur Qniebf ebyr nf perngbe, engure guna orvat Qniebf uvzfrys. Naq ab, Qniebf jnfa'g uhzna - ur jnf n Xnyrq. Gur Xnyrqf qvqa'g rira oryvrir gurer jnf yvsr ryfrjurer va gur havirefr hagvy gur Qbpgbe jnf frag gb Fxneb gb cerirag gur perngvba bs gur Qnyrxf (V'ir nyfb whfg jngpurq Trarfvf bs Gur Qnyrxf).
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« Reply #47 on: May 14, 2006, 03:56:37 AM »
Quote from: Dral on May 08, 2006, 08:36:00 AM
Quote from: sinic on May 08, 2006, 07:32:31 AM
V znl arrq gb er-jngpu gur rcvfbqr, ohg qvqa'g Zvpxrl fnl fbzrguvat nobhg gelvat gb hfr gur GNEQVF naq gur Qbpgbe fuhg uvz qbja? Fbzrguvat nobhg qvssrerag gvzr fgernzf be jungrire? Gur svercynpr jnf vaqrrq n ovg qrhf rk znpuvan (rfcrpvnyyl fvapr gurl frrzrq gb unir urneq ure pnyyvat guebhtu vg jura gur znpuvarf neevirq gb trg ure), ohg guvf vf Qbpgbe Jub. Guvaxvat nobhg vg gbb uneq pna oernx lbhe oenva.


I have an answer (Doctor Who Geek to the rescue!) but I can't post it now as I'm still at work. And not supposed to be on the internet.

OK. I realise I'm a bit late, but I'll dive into an explanation anyway. I'll cypher it because it's going to refer to the episode in questions:

Vg unf orra rfgnoyvfurq qhevat gur bevtvany frevrf (rkprcg sbe va gur rkrpenoyr Cnhy ZpTnaa GI zbivr, ohg V funyy erghea gb gung yngre) gung bapr gur GNEQVF ynaqf, vg vf gvrq vagb riragf naq pnaabg ubc nobhg jvguva gubfr riragf. V'q ybir gb guebj bhg gur grpuavpny 'Oyvabivgpu Yvzvgngvba Rssrpg' gung jnf svefg ersreerq gb va gur Cregjrr fgbel Qnl Bs gur Qnyrxf (1972) ohg vg jnf syngyl pbagenqvpgrq va 1983 naq unf pbirerq n inevrgl bs qvssrerag rssrpgf. Fb V jba'g.

Naljnl. Vg nccrnef gung gur GNEQVF ynaqf naq fubeg gvzr ubcf orpbzr vzcbffvoyr. Va Gur Cnegvat Bs Gur Jnlf, qrfcvgr ure nyzbfg vasvavgr cbjre, Ebfr pbhyq abg trg gur GNEQVF gb erghea jvgubhg gur fnzr nzbhag bs gvzr univat ryncfrq va obgu gvzrmbarf. Va Rnegufubpx (1983), gur svsgu Qbpgbe jnf hanoyr gb ubc onpx gra zvahgrf gb cerirag gur qrngu bs Nqevp (abg gung nalbar zvaqrq, ernyyl. Juval yvggyr tvg.) orpnhfr ur'q nyernql orra cneg bs riragf.

Gur svercynpr guvatl qvq guebj zr n yvggyr. Gurer nccrnerq gb or ab erny ernfba sbe fhpu n uhtr whzc orgjrra gur Qbpgbe trggvat gb gur fuvc naq gura ergheavat gb Senapr - rfcrpvnyyl jura n tnc bs nobhg gur fnzr gvzr ba gur fuvc unq bayl orra n srj jrrxf cerivbhfyl (gur svefg gvzr naq gur frpbaq gvzr ur zrrgf gur puvyq Znqnzr qr Cbzcnqbhe).

V jbhyq fhezvfr gung unq gur Qbpgbe hfrq gur GNEQVF gb erghea gb Senapr ng n gvzr bs uvf bja pubbfvat, ur pbhyq unir cvpxrq ure hc orsber fur qvrq. Ubjrire, bapr ur unq hfrq gur svercynpr, n pbeeryngvba orgjrra gur gjb gvzmbarf unq orra znqr naq gur GNEQVF pbhyq abg bireevqr vg. Gung'f whfg zl gurbel, zvaq.
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« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2006, 05:56:54 AM »
Jung nobhg gur GNEQVF whzc gb trg Pncg. Wnpx bss uvf fuvc jura ur gryrcbegf va gur ovt obzo va Gur Qbpgbe Qnaprf?  Be pna gur gvzr ubcf bayl tb sbejneq, abg onpxjneq?  V guvax gur jevgref unir gur evtug vqrn va gung lbh fubhyqa'g yrg pbagvahvgl trg va gur jnl bs n ernyyl tbbq rcvfbqr.  V qba'g xabj vs gung'f gurve -bssvpvny- fgnapr, ohg vg frrzf gb or gur pnfr.
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« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2006, 10:26:11 AM »
Quote from: sinic on May 14, 2006, 05:56:54 AM
Jung nobhg gur GNEQVF whzc gb trg Pncg. Wnpx bss uvf fuvc jura ur gryrcbegf va gur ovt obzo va Gur Qbpgbe Qnaprf?  Be pna gur gvzr ubcf bayl tb sbejneq, abg onpxjneq?  V guvax gur jevgref unir gur evtug vqrn va gung lbh fubhyqa'g yrg pbagvahvgl trg va gur jnl bs n ernyyl tbbq rcvfbqr.  V qba'g xabj vs gung'f gurve -bssvpvny- fgnapr, ohg vg frrzf gb or gur pnfr.


Gur fnzr nzbhag bs gvzr unq cnffrq sbe gur Qbpgbe naq Ebfr nf unq cnffrq sbe Wnpx. Gung frrzf gb or gur ehyr - 10 zvahgrf va guvf gvzr mbar rdhnyf gra zvahgrf va gur bgure.

Ohg vg pna naq vf vtaberq - guebhtubhg gur eha, pbagvahvgl unf arire orra nyybjrq gb trg va gur jnl bs gur fgbel, rkprcg qhevat gur 80f (jura gurer jnf n sna yvnvfba ba gur fubj, bs nyy guvatf), juvpu pbhyq rkcynva jul guvatf jrag fb jebat...

Nyfb, gur ZpTnaa genirfgl. V fgvyy fuhqqre gb erzrzore gur Qbpgbe hfvat gur GNEQVF gb haqb gur ynfg gra zvahgrf bs gur fgbel. Vs ur pbhyq qb gung, gurer'q or ab qenzn va gur fubj nf rirelguvat jbhyq or erirefvoyr.
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« Reply #50 on: May 15, 2006, 12:49:25 AM »
Lrnu, jura V fnvq ur jnf va gur Qniebf ebyr, V qvqa'g zrna ur npghnyyl JNF Qniebf. Ubjrire, ur'f n pevccyrq travhf fpvragvfg perngvat n yrtraqnel Qbpgbe Jub zbafgre naq xvyyvat nalbar jub gevrf gb fhttrfg gung znlor gur cebwrpg fubhyq unir fbzr sbez bs cbyvgvpny birefvtug...

Ertneqvat gur erfg bs gur rcvfbqr: tbbq nygreangr jbeyq. Ybir gur nvefuvcf. Ebfr'f cneragf ner jryy qbar: ure zbgure'f n evpu ovgpu, ohg ab zber pynffl guna fur rire jnf, naq ure sngure juvyr fhpprffshy fgvyy qbrfa'g frrz pbasvqrag nobhg vg. Gur pbagrzcg jvgu juvpu Ebfr tbg gur oehfu-bss sebz ure zbgure jnf oevyyvnag.

N avpr gbhpu jvgu gur qvfgvapgvir funcr bs gur nagraan sebz gur rnecvrprf. Guvf ybg ner unys Plorezna nyernql. Ertneqvat juvpu... jr xabj Plorezra jrer perngrq ba Zbaqnf, abg Rnegu, ohg jub xabjf? Gurer jnf n Plorezna uryzrg va ina Fgnggra'f ohaxre ynfg lrne, naq ubj zhpu ryfr unf snyyra gb rnegu bire gur lrnef?

Ubj'f gur Qbpgbe cynaavat gb trg gur GNEQVF hc naq ehaavat ntnva? Fheryl gung'f tbg gb or zvffvba gbc cevbevgl. Abg jnaqrevat nebhaq nygreangr Ybaqba enaqbzyl fvtugfrrvat, penfuvat cnegvrf naq ehaavat vagb Plorezra...

(Jung nz V fnlvat? Jnaqrevat nebhaq enaqbzyl fvtugfrrvat, penfuvat cnegvrf naq ehaavat vagb Plorezra vf jung gur Qbpgbe qbrf orfg!)

Lrnu, vg jnf nyy frg-hc sbe n fcrpgnphyne arkg jrrx. V'z abg pbzcynvavat. Vg jnf tbbq frg-hc. Jvgu Plorezra.
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« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2006, 02:01:27 AM »
Quote from: phobos on May 15, 2006, 12:49:25 AM
Ubj'f gur Qbpgbe cynaavat gb trg gur GNEQVF hc naq ehaavat ntnva? Fheryl gung'f tbg gb or zvffvba gbc cevbevgl. Abg jnaqrevat nebhaq nygreangr Ybaqba enaqbzyl fvtugfrrvat, penfuvat cnegvrf naq ehaavat vagb Plorezra...

Ur'f nyernql tbg gung fbegrq, gurl'er xvyyvat gvzr juvyr gur onggrel er-punetrf.

Crefbanyyl V sbhaq guvf rcvfbqr zber sevtugravat guna gur frpbaq bar. Fbzrguvat nobhg gur eryragyrff znepu bs gur Plorezra pbzvat bhg bs gur zvfg znqr zl urneg orng n ovg snfgre! Vg nyfb frag zl qnhtugre qvivat oruvaq zr gb crrc bire zl fubhyqre naq fnl, 'V'z fpnerq!'. Fb zvffvba frzv-nppbzcyvfurq, znlor arkg jrrx jvyy fpner zl fba.

V pnhtug gjb ersreraprf gb Gbepujbbq va guvf rcvfbqr, V guvax gur abg-fb-fhoyvzvany nqiregvfvat vf jbexvat, V pna'g jnvg hagvy Nhghza...
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« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2006, 04:30:57 AM »
Evtug, V guvax V erzrzore pngpuvat bar Gbepujbbq ersrerapr.  V guvax V urneq vg zragvbarq ng gur cnegl (gubhtu zl zrzbel'f snvyvat zr ng gur zbzrag).  Jurer jnf gur bgure.

Nyfb... jul jbhyq na nygrengr qvzrafvba unir n Gbepujbbq?  Qb lbh guvax vg'f gur fnzr Gbepujbbq be vf vg n qvssrerag bar? 
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« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2006, 05:28:46 AM »
Gur bgure zragvba jnf jura Ebfr jnf erprvivat gur svefg arjf qbjaybnq sebz Plohf. V guvax vg'f ragveryl cbffvoyr gung na nygreangvir qvzrafvba jbhyq unir Gbepujbbq. Jurgure vg'f gur fnzr be abg V qba'g xabj, naq V qbhog jr'yy svaq bhg.
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« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2006, 07:25:56 AM »
Guvf pbqr fghss vf njrfbzr. Crbcyr abg jnagvat fcbvyref jvyy guvax V'z fnlvat fbzrguvat "qrrc naq zrnavatshy" jura va npghnyvgl V'z whfg whzcvat ba gur onaqjntba.

Zber ba gbcvp - jung qb jr guvax unccraf jvgu Zvpxrl?
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« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2006, 07:34:49 AM »
Zvpxrl vf fbbbbbbb qrnq. Uvf qbccrytnatre vf n jnagrq greebevfg? Bu, fb irel qrnq. Vs gur Plorezra qba'g trg uvz gura gur nezl jvyy.

Nygreangvir fcrphyngvba V'ir frra sybngvat nebhaq gur arg: Evpxl trgf xvyyrq, naq Zvpxrl nffhzrf uvf vqragvgl.

Rvgure jnl, Zvpxrl'f orra jrnevat gur terng ovt Vzzvarag Qrngu ung fvapr gur zbzrag ur pnzr nobneq. Vg'yy or vagrerfgvat gb frr jung unccraf jvgu Ebfr bapr ur'f tbar.
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« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2006, 07:50:30 AM »
Lrnu, Zvpxrl jnf qbvat gur rdhvinyrag bs fyvccvat ba n erq fuveg gur zbzrag ur tbg ba gur GNEQVF. Ur'f qrrrrrnnnnq, qrnq nf n irel qrnq guvat.

Juvpu vf fnq, orpnhfr V ybir Zvpxrl.
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« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2006, 09:04:49 AM »
V guvax Qbpgbe Jub Pbasvqragvny tnir vg njnl n ovg. Vg fgngrq gur Zvpxrl unq gb 'fgrc hc gb gur cyngr' be jbeqf gb gung rssrpg, gura fubjf uvz xvffvat Ebfr tbbqolr.
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« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2006, 09:52:04 AM »
Lrrrrrrrnu. V svtherq vs Zvpxrl qvrq vg'q or va gur ynfg rcvfbqr...


....Hagvy V fnj gung. ^_^
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« Reply #59 on: May 17, 2006, 12:39:52 AM »
I have GOT to get this on a T-shirt.

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